söndag 20 september 2015

Post-seminar 2

To prepare for this seminar I read the required texts, though I admit I did not really understand them all too well when I first read them. I also tried to find more texts about them to make sure if I understood them correctly, however I did not get to much out of that.


We also had a lecture on the texts which I really felt help me get the text into a context. That context wasn’t really evident as I first read the texts although I knew they were written around the second world war and were probably colored by that fact.


I felt I got the most out of the seminar, since I didn’t get all the questions quite right for my first blog post. A lot of these got straightened out at the seminar.


Firstly we discussed nominalism, which I did get right the first time, but we discussed it in contrast to Platonic realism. While nominalism rejects the existence of universals, Platonic realism instead sees the world as objects that are kind of copies or shadows of the real objects, which are the universals. The objects we perceive in the world are copies from the mold of the true object, which we cannot perceive as it is abstract.


We also discussed how nominalism is based a lot on observation of the world, that we perceive everything as individual and different from everything else. Nominalism and enlightenment are closely linked since both focus on the physical matter and obeservation of objects.


Adorno & Horkheimer contest that a nominalist position can be a dangerous one. If we simply just observe what we see, we will not question what is in the world and never think that things could be different. There will be no potential for change in the world unless we adopt a more conceptualist position. The nominalistic point of view is related to facism where the hierarchy is determined by nature and things are as they are with no question to change them.


We also discussed the revolutionary potential that exists in culture according to Benjamins text and in relation to Adorno & Horkheimer’s. Benjamin explains that movies, but also all other types of reproducible media makes it possible for the working class to be a part of the media. Factory workers can now be portrayed in the cinema as well as star in films. This gives a sort of dignity to them according to Benjamin. Adorno & Horkheimer adopt a more pessimistic view and state that mass media simply portrait things as they are, like a more nominalistic position, where we see things as they are and come to accept them that way. The mass media mirrors the everyday existance and does not show any alternatives to life, therefore it does not really have any revolutionary potential in the same way as Benjamin contests.


We also discussed historical perception and wether there is such a thing as good or bad art. It is Benjamins point of view that there is no such thing as good or bad art, because we are all slaves to our own context which determines how we perceive the art. Therefore facisms’ idea that there is an inherently good art and bad art is wrong.

A new thing I realised about aura at the seminar was when we discussed that german facism used aura in a similar way with its Führer cult. Benjamin sees a revolutionary potential in destroying the aura by use of reproducible culture.

12 kommentarer:

  1. Hello Anton!

    Thank you a well written reflection where you give clear explanations on the questions of theme 2! I understand from my reading that we've had quite the same discussions during the seminar, although I must admit that I didn't get the concept of nominalism right the first time. The example with Plato's cave and platonic realism really helped me out to understand the term and what it truly meant. You don't mention so much about your own opinion in the discussions, which could be an opportunity to improve on to the upcoming blog posts! Do you agree with the statement that there is no such thing as 'good' and 'bad' art and that it is just art? I suppose, looking at it objectively, the "greatness of art is in the eye of the beholder". But why is it then, that we, in our world, classify some art objects as "better" or "more inspiring" than others?

    Otherwise, thank you for a great reflection!

    SvaraRadera
  2. Hej Anton!

    Nicely structured reflection!
    I agree with you on Benjamin's point of view regarding the revolutionary potential of culture/art as it can raise awareness of things we might not see in the first place. One good example given was how horses were portrayed during the 17th century (legs up), while we finally realized through the medium of film/photography, that in fact horses always have on foot on the ground.

    I'd like to add to your summary of Adorno & Horkheimer that they not only were "pessimistic" and said that "media does not have any revolutionary potential" but also that this was a deception and a suppression through consumerism rather than an enlightened state of mind and therefore has no revolutionary potential. Overall good job!

    SvaraRadera
  3. Since I was in another group, I enjoyed reading about the connection between lecture and seminar! In addition to this, have you considered that due to zooming and cutting you will get a fragmented picture of the world looks like? I agee with you that mass media in "wrong Hands" could be danergours. In addition to this, have you considered that due to zooming and cutting you will get a fragmented picture of the world looks like? In contrast to my approach that Nominalism undermines National Socialism, we also figured out that it actually upholds it. Regarding your part about factories, we also mentioned that work will change ideas but ideas will not change work. Well done!

    SvaraRadera
  4. I enjoyed reading your posts.I think the part about nimnalism vs. realism is really intresting and I felt that the small "demo" duriong the semainar was areally good way of understanding. You have pointed out disadvantages about a to stronh nominalism, but I would also argue that if we extend realism to far it wouldn't be good. We need a balance between the two.
    The revolutionary potential of mass media is indeed a really intresting part of the text and our future. After the lecture I think both Adorno &Horkheimer and Benjamin is affected by their soroundings. Where A&H have seen mass media that don't lived up to the potentials that Benjamin points out. However I think the massmedia has changed since then and it is intresting to consider if todays mass media have revolutionary potentials.

    SvaraRadera
  5. Hello Anton!
    Good job summarizing this theme - I think you're spot on what it's been about and you have good reflections.

    I think it's especially interesting to read about destroying aura for massproduction and distribution, it would have been interesting to read some more on your thoughts though! To our generation, it feels so obvious that you can reproduce art and use propaganda for political purposes,and that this has revolutionary potentials, but I guess it wasn't at the time.

    Keep up the good work with the texts, I think you do a good job explaining different concepts and you really contribute with good examples during the seminars!

    SvaraRadera
  6. Hi Anton,

    I agree that the lecture really helped to get the two readings into context as this was very important to understand the deeper meaning of Benjamin and Adorno/Horkheimer. Furthermore I liked that you used the working class as example for the revolutionary potential of mass media according to Benjamin. I wouldn’t have thought prior to this week’s topic that displaying in mass media can create a different perception of the society. In addition, I would say that Adorno/Horkheimer see the revolutionary potential not in the mass media, but in the technology itself which is subsequently influencing sub- and superstructure.

    SvaraRadera
  7. Hi Anton,

    I agree that the lecture really helped to get the two readings into context as this was very important to understand the deeper meaning of Benjamin and Adorno/Horkheimer. Furthermore I liked that you used the working class as example for the revolutionary potential of mass media according to Benjamin. I wouldn’t have thought prior to this week’s topic that displaying in mass media can create a different perception of the society. In addition, I would say that Adorno/Horkheimer see the revolutionary potential not in the mass media, but in the technology itself which is subsequently influencing sub- and superstructure.

    SvaraRadera
  8. Hi!

    It seems as you have really understood both nominalism and realism by the way you explain both of them. It is also noticable that you understood a lot more of this weeks theme after the lecture and that you have gotten a context to the concepts. At first I thought that benjamin meant that the aura is a good thing but after the lecture I understood that he actually wanted the complete opposite! Was it the same for you?

    SvaraRadera
  9. Hi!
    Great reflection and thought provoking fulfillments to your previous post on the theme. I too found the concepts of nominalism vs. platonic realism quite hard to grasp at first, but the way you describe it through the notion of universal’s existences learned from the seminar really shows you’ve understood the subject. Interesting that you should state the Adorno and Horkheimers view of nominalism being related to fascism. I understand what you’re getting at (the idea of positions being fixed) and I agree with you there, but the entire concept of being human transcends past the simple idea of nominalism where e.g. fascists have developed hatred towards a certain class or group due to some values and properties they have - which isn’t a nominalistic way of approaching others. Thanks for a good read and keep up the good job!

    SvaraRadera
  10. Hey Anton! Great reflection. I can see that we attended to the same seminar only by reading your text. We seem to have very similar opinions and understanding about theme 2! Something you brought up, which I didn't, was whether there is something as "good art" or "bad art". It's not the easiest to fully understand Benjamin's opinion but reading your reflection helped!

    SvaraRadera

  11. Hi Anton! Nice reflection! My group also discussed whether there is such thing as good or bad art. I know that a lot of people look down on what is called "modern art" compared to previous art forms. A common discussion is; "How can displaying a rock that an artist found in nature be art". I think the answer to this has to do with auras. Today it is so easy to replicate "normal" art, for example paintings which makes the aura of the original not as strong. Therefore creating something that is can not be replicated, for example a rock or performance art which is popular creates a stronger aura.

    SvaraRadera
  12. H!
    Nice reflection. I felt that you have pointed out the keywords from this theme. I had the same experience as you with udnerstanding realism and nominalism. But from your reflection it seems that you have come a long way!
    Really good point with the facism view on good and bad art, I hade not understood Benjamins view on this but you explained to me very easily
    Thanks for the reflection!

    SvaraRadera